CARLO CARATTI,

[A confectioner, had seen the parties constantly together at the Villa d'Este.]

What have you ever seen them doing to each other?-I have often seen them walking amongst themselves, walking together.

How did they walk?-They walked as if they were true friends; as if they were husband and wife, or something like that. Did you see them together at Caprini ? -I did.

Did you see them do any thing ?—I have seen them going to walk a thousand times.

Did the Princess keep a bird then? Yes, a nightingale.

Did you ever carry food to the nightingale?—Yes, I did.

Do you recollect seeing the Princess and Bergami together on that occasion? -Yes.

What did you observe them to be doing? They were kissing each other. Did you hear the Princess say any thing to Bergami ?-She said, "Do not remain so long out, mon cœur.' Did you know which was Bergami's room at Caprini ?—Yes.

Did you ever see him at the window, or hear him call for his servant?-Yes, very often.

At such times did you ever see the Princess also?-Yes, in Bergami's room.

FRANCISCO GASSINO, [A mason, employed at the Villa d'Este.] Do you recollect when the Princess of Wales returned from the voyage to Greece?-Yes.

Was any alteration then made about Bergami's bed-room?-Yes, I was employed to make one.

What alteration was it?-I opened a door in it, one which had been before walled up, which I had stopped myself.

Do you know whether the bed-room of her Royal Highness was changed about the same time?-Yes; it was changed about two days after the door in Bergami's room was re-opened.

Did this door open a communication to the new bed-room of her Royal Highness?-It did; there was a room between them, which led from one to the other.

GIUSEPPE RASTELLI

Was superintendant of the stables at the Villa d'Este. Saw the Princess repeatedly sitting on Bergami's knee in the padovanella. On the road from Pesaro to Caprini, he went near the carriage to inquire the road, when he saw the two parties in a highly improper posture. He was ashamed, and turned away.]

Do you remember the little Victorine at Villa d'Este ?—I do:

How, or by what name, did she call the Princess?-Mamma mia,

Does the witness recollect any conver sation between her Royal Highness and the little Victorine at Ville d'Este ?-Her Royal Highness caressed her always like her own child, and called her mu chere fille.

Were you ever at Bologna?—I have (been).

Did you ever see the wife of Bergami there? I have; but it was at a time when the Princess was not there.

Did you ever see her when the Princess was there?-She was there once whilst her Majesty was arriving; and they all escaped; they all went away.

Cross-examined.---When were you dismissed from the service of the Princess? -Towards the end of December, 1817. Ask him, was he not dismissed for stealing the corn?-No.

Was not that the charge on which he was dismissed?-No.

Then what were you dismissed for?Because I gave leave to two of her (the Princess's) men, to go to an inn or tavern; and, on their return, the Baron and Bernardo, his cousin, and some others, went to stop these men; and when they came to complain to me of it, I said that I never knew that masters should turn "sbirri," thief-takers-impeachers.

(The House appeared to be dissatisfied with this interpretation. The interpreter explained, that "sbirri," implied a very low kind of constable in Italy.)

Why were you turned away, I ask?— The day after, Luigi came to me with the money which was due to me for my two or three months salary, and he told me, that "as I was an honest man, I ought not to be among the sbirri any longer”(Much laughter); and therefore I took my salary and went away.

And you went?-Yes.

Was he never charged, when in the service of the Princess of Wales, with stealing the horse-provender?-Never.

I don't mean charged before a magistrate; but was he not charged by some one in the family, or in the service of the Princess?-No, never.

You swear to that, as well as to all the rest of your evidence?—I do.

You never said, then, I should think, to any body, that you had been dismissed upon a charge of stealing corn ?-I have not, because I never told a lie.

So; does he mean to say that he never told a lie, or that he never told one without being well paid for it?-(Order, order.)

Did not the witness become one of the most active agents of the Milan commission?

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL objected that this was a question which could not be put, because it was not known that there were any agents of the commission of that description which the learned gentleman assumed. He had no right, therefore, to say, the most active agents."

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Mr DENMAN (To the interpreter.) -"Oh, never mind, don't put the question.-Did he not become a very active agent there?"

(An objection was here taken to the mode in which the interpreter put this question; he observed, that he had not said, "most active," as was imputed to him; but, "one of the most active.”)

Ans. I was not an active agent. They gave me orders only as a courier, which is my profession; and as a courier I have done.

Then you have been employed as a courier by that commission?-Yes, sometimes; whenever they had need of me.

Has the witness had any other means of getting his bread since he has left the Princess of Wales's service?—Yes; for I am, besides being a pensioner of my government, by trade a coachmaker.

Who recommended witness to the commission? does he know?-Nobody recommended me; but, when I spoke to the advocate, he told me that I was only to tell the truth, and then I should do.

What are you to have for coming?— They have promised me nothing.

What do you expect to have?-Nothing; they have promised me nothing; I have nothing to expect.

Do you mean us to infer that you expect nothing?—Yes.

Who are the persons whom you came over with ?-Some I know, some I do not know; those I know, I know because we came together; but I never saw them before.

I beg to know who they are whom you do know ?-There were various; I knew them by sight, at first; but I know them not; I have no acquaintance, I mean, no intimacy, with them.

I only ask their names?—Some I know, and can say; others I don't know.

I don't want him (witness) to tell me any thing that he does not know. I want the names of those whom he does know? -There were Reganti, Miardi, Carlo Gione, Enrico Ragazzoni, Enrico Baji, and the wife of Majocci.

Ask the witness whether he never sought Draconi; he knows the man I mean? I have been sometimes looking after him and seeking for him, for we are friendsbut not on this business; so he has come sometimes and looked after me.

Then he never offered Draconi any money to come forward as a witness?-I have not.

Did witness never say to any one that he would give him money for his testimony?-I have not.

Does he know Colonel Vassali ?—I know Vassali-the Count Vassali-but not the Colonel.

Did you see him some short time after you left the Princess's service?—I did.

Did you have any conversation with him respecting the cause of your dismis sal?-I had.

Did you not tell him any thing about

the charge of stealing corn ?—I did not say so; I only said that I had been discharged, and I told him in what manner, by the sbirri.

That is all you told him about your discharge? That is what I said. If I said something more, it is what I cannot remember at present.

GIUSEPPE EGALI,

CA waiter at the Crown Inn, half way between Como and Milan, where the parties spent a day.

Did you see any thing at dinner?Yes; they paid compliments to each other. I observed they offered delicate morsels to each other.

What did they say?-They spoke in French.

What did they do ?-The Baron offered something from his plate to the Princess, and she in return offered something from hers to him; they were offering delicate morsels to each other.

Did you leave Bergami alone with the Princess after dinner?—Yes, I did.

Did the company quit the room at the time you speak of?-They had gone out. What did you see particularly pass between them when they were together?I went to enter the room and clear the table where the company had dined, and I saw the Baron holding his arm on the shoulder of the Princess. At that moment, as I was going into the room, I saw the Baron give the Princess a kiss. But I did not go in, for they immediately told me to go away.

In what way was the arms of the Baron placed?The Baron was on the right, and the Princess on the left of him, and he had his left arm upon her shoulder.

round the neck of the Princess; he was making love to her, and kissed her. (The witness put his arm round the interpreter, and offered to kiss him-(Laughter.) Before he put his arm round her neck, had he got up from his seat?—Yes.

When he got up, did the Princess do any thing to him, or to the breast of his coat?-She took him by the flap of his coat, and made him sit down again.

Was it after that the arm was put round the neck?—It was.

Have you ever seen the Princess in the kitchen ?—Yes.

Was Bergami there at the same time? -Yes.

Was there any polenta there?—Yes. Did Bergami do any thing with the polenta ?-He took a little.

What did he do with it?-He went to the Princess, who told him something in French, and then Bergami, with a spoon, put half the polenta into the Princess's mouth, and half into his own.

Did you some days after this see the Princess in the pantry at Villa d'Este?— Yes.

Was Bergami there at that time?

Yes.

Did Bergami do any thing, or the Princess? They were both together.

What did Bergami do?-He took a piece of sweet-meat, and put it into the

mouth of the Princess.

GIUSEPPE GOURGIARDI, [Boatman on the Lake of Como, carried the Princess and Bergami wherever they went.]

Did you observe any thing pass between the Princess and Bergami on these occasions?—I have seen her kiss him.

More than once?-About four times. Did you ever see any thing else on those occasions besides kissing?—Not in the boat.

At any other place have you seen any thing between the Princess and Bergami? -I saw them while in the pantry; they were taking themselves away from the table, and they went into the room, and locked themselves into it.

What room do you mean?-The bedroom of the Princess. There was the room where they lived; and here, on the other side, there was the room of the

Princess, into which they went and locked themselves.

Cross-examined.-Did you ever tell any body that Vilmarcati had offered you money for what you had to say?—No; because he told me to go to Milan, where all my expenses would be paid.

Have you not told other persons that Vilmarcati had offered you money for your information ?-No.

Did you ever say that you had been promised money by Vilmarcati ?-Never. Did you ever say that any other person had promised you money?-No.

GIUSEPPE SACCHI, [A courier in the service of the Princess, was sent by Bergami to Milan with a letter to the Governor, with orders to bring back an answer that night.]

When you returned, where did you go?-I dismounted from my horse and went into the kitchen, where I saw the footman; I asked him where Bergami was, and he told me.

In consequence of the answer he gave you, where did you go?—I mounted up stairs to Bergami's ante-room.

What did you do on going into the ante-room?-I found Bergami's servant asleep, and I went towards his bedroom. Finding the door open, I went into the room. I saw the bed tumbled, but nobody was there.

What did you then do?-I then went away; and as I was going I heard a noise on the opposite side, and at the same time heard somebody say, "Who's there?" I thought it was Bergami, and I answered that I was the courier from Milan. Ber gami then came to me, and told me there was no such necessity for delivering the

answer.

Can you say where Bergami came from at the time you have spoken of?-No; I did not see, because it was dark.

Where did the door of Bergami's room lead to?-It led into two rooms.

Who slept in those rooms?—No one. Do you know where the Princess slept? -No.

Do you know where the Princess's bedroom was?-No.

Did you go before the Princess to Turin?-I went before her, for the last post.

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When you arrived at the inn, did you make any arrangement respecting the rooms of the Princess and her suite?Yes; I made the distribution with the innkeeper: for her Royal Highness the best apartment, and others near it for the dume d'honneur and the femme de chambre; for the gentlemen we allotted other apartments, separate from the rest.

Did that arrangement continue, or was it altered after the Princess arrived?No; on the arrival of the Princess and Bergami, I shewed them the distribution I had made, but it did not meet the approbation either of the Princess or Bergami, and the apartments I had chosen for the gentlemen were allotted to her Royal Highness, the dame d'honneur, Bergami, and the femme de chambre.

How near was the room of Bergami to that of the Princess after the alteration was made?-Between the room of her Royal Highness and that of Bergami was the room of the dame d'honneur.

[The witness was present at the balls at the Barona, which were chiefly frequented by persons of low condition. Many improprieties took place, which the Princess saw, without expressing any censure. She spoke to him, also, in a very improper manner, about the girls who attended these balls. In travelling from Rome to Senegaglia, Sacchi repeatedly rode up to the carriage, and drew aside the curtains. Two or three times he saw the Princess and Bergami sleeping in postures strongly indicative of guilt. One day, when they had rode before him, he, on his arrival, inquired for them, and was pointed to a room where they were.]

Did you go to that room?-I went, and, knocking at the door, inquired whether I could enter. Bergami answered I could come in, as I did. After I entered, I saw the Princess and Bergami on the bed; but I must observe they were decently dressed, and at a distance from one another.

How were they seated on the bed?— They were lying on the bed as far as the middle, and their backs were leaning or resting against the wall.

[At Carlsruhe, the arrangement of the bed-rooms was changed in the same manner as at Turin, and generally those of the

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two parties were as near as possible to each other.

Do you remember any time at Villa Grande, when the rest of the family were in bed, seeing Bergami any where?—I remember one night, after midnight, while it was insufferably hot, I was at the window of my room; and as I heard a noise on the side of the room of Bergami, I withdrew a little. I saw Bergami come out of his room and go to the door that led to the apartment of her Royal Highness. He opened the door, entered, and I saw him no more.

How long did you remain at your window after you saw Bergami enter?

About an hour.

On any other night did you see Bergami?-A few days after I saw the same thing.

At what time was it you saw Bergami the second time?—About the same time as the first.

Did you upon the second occasion see Bergami return to his room?—I did not. Cross-examined.-How long have you been in this country?-About 14 months. Where have you lived all that time?Sometimes in London, and sometimes in the country.

Is your name Sacchi, or Sacchini ? Sacchi.

Were you never called Sacchini?—Yes, I was called Sacchini at Milan.

But is it true that you have also been called Milani in this country?—Yes, it is true.

Is it true that you have always gone by that name here ?—It is.

How much, in point of fact, did you receive during the first six months that you acted in the capacity of courier ?-Whilst in her Royal Highness's service I received money at three several times, amounting in the whole to 60 or 70 Napoleons.

How much did you receive as courier only?—I do not remember.

How long did you continue in the situation of courier during the year that you were in the Princess's service ?-About nine months.

Who hired you?-I entered her Royal Highness's service through the good offices of M. Chiviana, a banker, the Baron Caroletti, and Bergami.

Do you mean to say, that at that time you were in easy circumstances?—I was always, thank God, in easy circumstances. Do you mean to say that you were as well dressed then as you are now?—Yes, I was always.

Always: well, but you know you were called Count Milani when you were introduced to M. Marietti, don't you?—No, I do not know it.

Do you mean to swear that you don't know whether you were so called or not, on your introduction to M. Marietti ?—Í am sworn to tell the truth, and the truth alone, and I swear that I was not introduced under the name of Count Milani.

Will you swear that you were not called Count Milani in the presence of M. Marietti in London ?—I am sure that I never heard myself called "Count" in the presence of M. Marietti.

Do you mean also to swear that you were never called "Count" at Aston, in the presence of Mr Godfrey ?—I am sure that I never heard myself so called at As

ton.

Will you swear that you were not introduced to M. Marietti as a merchant?— Never.

That you never stated to him that you had come to this country for commercial purposes?-Never.

How did you represent yourself?—I always said that I came here in the service of a Spanish family.

Is it true that you came over in the service of a Spanish family ?-No, it is not true.

Did you ever say to M. Marietti, or to any other person, that the Princess of Wales owed you money?--I have said that I had a law-suit with her Royal Highness, but never that she owed me money.

Was it true or not that you had a lawsuit with her Royal Highness?—I meant to say that I was engaged in the process which was making against her Royal Highness.

Do you mean to say that you told M. Marietti, that you were one of the witnesses in the prosecution against the Princess?-No.

Was it then a double entendre that you meant when you told M. Marietti that