WILL GREEN. A lot of boys was shooting dice and playing cards. They were not betting any money on the cards, but were betting on shooting dice.

Senator WHEELER. That is what you boys call rolling the bones, isn't it?

WILL GREEN. Yes, sir; I reckon so, but I never used anything like that.

Senator WHEELER. You never shot the bones?

WILL GREEN. No, sir; I never was in any kind of game, nor have I took any kind of strong drink.

Senator WHEELER. What mine were you working in?

WILL GREEN. At No. 4, I reckon. It was right up the road here. Senator WHEELER. What did they say to you when you concluded not to go to work?

WILL GREEN. Well, the fellow that they called the pit boss there, he taken me in this morning, and carried me to a room where a fellow was working. I looked in there and I seed the condition, and I said, "Is dis where you want me to work?" He said, "Will you work with this fellow to-day?" I said, "No, sir; mister, I is gwine home." He looked at me and I said, "There aint nothing in here for me to do, Boss." Then I turned and walked on out and left him there. I got myself right out of there.

Senator WHEELER. Did you ask any of the men how much money they were making?

WILL GREEN. I had a few words to say to a couple of the boys last night. But the way they were talking to me they was in pretty bad condition. They had done been there some time and it seemed like they couldn't make anything, and the company had charged them so much that what little bit they was buying in the store had overrun what they had done in the mine. And it seemed they couldn't make it, and that they had their clothes in pawn and couldn't get away.

Senator WHEELER. They had what?

WILL GREEN. I heard one fellow say that he hated to go off and leave his clothes because he would have to go naked. So you see he has to stay there and take what they have in the camps until he can get enough to go away. And all of them up there was very dirty. I don't think when they come out of the pit that the boys ever wash. I don't think that they ever take a bath. They just come out and eat a little snack that they have fixed there for them, and they set around a while and talk, for a couple of hours, and some of them never seem to go to bed, and those that do go to bed to get a little sleep, they sleep just like a hog that might run out and get into a mudhole, and lay down at any place he comes to. That is the way those boys seem to live. I would have left there last night had I knowed how to get out of the camp. But I had got in, and I was just the same as a blind dog in a meat house-I didn't know what to do. So I said to myself, I will have to stay until I can see what I am doing, and then maybe I can scuffle out some kind of way. That is the way they had me.

Senator WHEELER. Did you say you were like a blind dog in a meat house?

WILL GREEN. Yes, sir; I didn't know how they had brought me in there so that I would know how to get out.

Senator WHEELER. How did you get in there? WILL GREEN. They carried me in there in a big truck, and it was all closed up except at the hind end. I could see just a little bit through one side and could just see the street behind us. But

I knowed I couldn't see anything in the world in the dark and wouldn't know how to get out of there. And I was settin' in the truck sideways, and I think they had about 20 of us in the truck. I don't know exactly how many colored there was, but more whites than colored. And when I tried to get out this here right leg of mine was stiff and numb, so I couldn't hardly walk, where a white fellow had set in my lap.

Senator WHEELER. Where were the other fellows from that came in that truck?

WILL GREEN. I don't know where they was from but they all came from Pittsburgh.

Senator WHEELER. Did you hear them say what they had been doing?

WILL GREEN. No, sah.

Senator WHEELER. Were they just moving about the country? WILL GREEN. I don't know, sah. I never heard any of them tell his story. All I knowed was that they went out there with me. Senator WHEELER. Did the rest of them stay or what became of them?

WILL GREEN. The most of those white fellows stopped at the same place, at No. 8, I reckon, or I don't know what it was.

Senator GOODING. I think that is all. We are much obliged to you boys.

(Thereupon the committee left Squire O'Rourke's office and after motoring down the road a piece, got out of the automobiles and tramped through the mud to the house of Joseph and Clarissa Englert at the union barracks near Horning No. 4 mine, where the following proceedings took place:)

STATEMENT OF MRS. CLARISSA ENGLERT

Senator GOODING. How long have you been here at the mines? Mrs. ENGLERT. Since 1913, when Joe started with this company. Senator GOODING. Something like 14 years?

Mrs. ENGLERT. Yes, sir.

Senator GOODING. How many children have you?

Mrs. ENGLERT. Five living.

Senator GOODING. Are they all here with you?

Mrs. ENGLERT. Yes, sir.

Senator GOODING. Will you tell the story about the incident of the coal and iron policemen?

Mrs. ENGLERT. Yes, sir; I will. On January 6, 1928, at 4.30 in the afternoon, when the children came from school they saw the scabs going down the railroad track, and of course, they yelled at them, "Yellow dogs," or something of the kind, as children will under these circumstances, you understand.

There was several colored fellows in the group that shot into the crowd of school children. There must have been 50 children in the crowd. One of my boys heard a bullet just pass by his head, and another little fellow fell to the ground, and we thought he was hit.

That aroused us women, and you people know how a woman will fight for her children, and we went out and hollered at them, and then five coal and iron police came, and they hid until they could come in and get hold of us. We were up there about 100 yards from the railroad track. Then when the coal and iron said something to us, and we didn't know just exactly what, I said, "Go on. You are nothing but scab drivers yourselves or you wouldn't hold the position you hold now." And I said, "Anybody that would come here and take the bread out of our children's mouths like you fellows do ain't worth anything.' So of course the coal and iron came into the crowd, and they grabbed Mrs. Costa and me. He got me here on my left arm and twisted it, and said, "Hey, you, I want you." He tore my coat sleeve and paralyzed my arm, so that it just dropped down, and I was just that mad that I up with my right fist and struck him in the face. When I did that he caught me by my coat sleeve and said, "I'll fix you," and he was then pulling at my coat sleeve, and I staggered and it pulled out of the socket. When he seen what had happened, and he saw I hadn't lost control, he hit me in the back of the head either with a blackjack or something that knocked me out.

I fell to the ground unconscious, and when I came to myself again he was on my stomach, and I could feel the handcuffs going around my wrists. And he called for help to another coal and iron, to come there, and he come. And then I was taken to the railroad track, and whether they carried me or pulled me or how I just don't know, as everything was like dust or smoke in front of me. When they got me up there he twisted the handcuffs up on me, on my hands, and twisted them until the blood ran out. I said, "You dirty yellow dog, let me go." He looked at me and laughed and then made another twist. I said, "You dirty yellow scab, you have the map of scabland on your face. You let me go." He looked down from the track and made some sign to somebody, but I couldn't see, and he just twisted the handcuffs tighter than ever, and I said, "God damn you. And when he seen the blood run out he twisted them tighter than ever. And he turned to Mrs. Costa and I told him to release her. And she said, "Mrs. Englert, don't go another step until they release your hands." One of the coal and iron came up and unlocked the handcuffs and said, "Now, will you obey us?" I said, "I don't have to obey you. You took me from private property and I will not obey you. I do not have to." They said, "Will you walk up the railroad track?" I said, "Yes, but you took me off of private property, and this is a free country, and I don't have to take anything off of you." They walked us up the railroad track, and they got us to a bridge about half a mile up there, and he said, "Wait here." He called down over on the right side for somebody to come up that was down there. And they said, "Keep them up there." An officer by the name of Little and another officer, with machine guns under their overcoats was there. They said, "This is not for youens but is for your men." I told them that our men were not in it at all. My man didn't even know where I was at the time. So they took us on up to the office and kept us for about a little over an hour when Mr. Mapheny got a release for us and brought us down.

Senator WHEELER. Your children were in this crowd of some 50 children when they were coming on down home?

Mrs. ENGLERT. Two of my children, a boy of 12 and one of 10.
Senator GOODING. Any questions, members of the committee?
Senator WAGNER. You are living by the aid of the union?
Mrs. ENGLERT. Yes; I am.

Senator WHEELER. What was your condition at the time that this happened?

Mrs. ENGLERT. I was pregnant, and eight days afterwards I gave premature birth, and was very sick for two weeks, and I am really not over it to-day, as I have trouble with my back and also have dizzy spells, and I can not account for it except this knock that I got and when I fell. I have been under the doctor's care off and on ever since. Dr. D. M. Davis, of Curry, was the doctor.

Senator GOODING. Any further questions?

Senator WHEELER. Are you getting food enough now?

Mrs. ENGLERT. Yes, sir; I am.

Senator WHEELER. Where is it coming from?

Mrs. ENGLERT. It is coming off the union, as far as I know it.
Senator WHEELER. How much do you get?

Mrs. ENGLERT. I get $6 a week.

Senator WHEELER. Have clothes been furnished you for the children?

Mrs. ENGLERT. Yes, sir; quite a good deal of clothing has come from the American Legion and from the Church of the Nativity. Senator WHEELER. The American Legion has been donating quite heavily?

Mrs. ENGLERT. They have been donating; yes.

Senator GOODING. What do you know about the I. W. W's coming into this camp?

Mrs. ENGLERT. I know that they tried to hold a meeting here yesterday but they didn't succeed. I know that several women have come to me and asked that my children go to a certain place at certain times and be taken into some union or local.

Senator GOODING. The I. W. W's?

Mrs. ENGLERT. She didn't say it was the I. W. W. They tried to sidetrack that. But it is a union or local of some kind, and they just don't come out with what it is.

Senator GOODING. They are very active around here?

Mrs. ENGLERT. Yes, sir. You, I guess, must have seen some of them as you came along, up on the bridge, or maybe you didn't see

them.

Senator GOODING. They have offered you food and clothing?

Mrs. ENGLERT. We got food from them about six weeks ago, not a whole lot but some, and we didn't know where it came from until after we had eat it or we wouldn't have accepted it at all.

Senator GOODING. What did they offer you?

Mrs. ENGLERT. They didn't offer me anything. I didn't go over

into that hall.

Senator GOODING. Do they maintain a hall here?

Senator GOODING. I think that is all. We thank you.

Hall.

(Just outside the door the committee met a man and the following took place:)

STATEMENT OF TONY LEVINSKY

Senator WHEELER. How long have you been here?

Mr. LEVINSKY. I have been in here about three or four years, four years in this mine.

Senator WHEELER. Are you a married man?

Mr. LEVINSKY. Yes, sir.

Senator WHEELER. How many children have you?

Mr. LEVINSKY. Seven.

Senator WHEELER. Go ahead and tell your story about the shooting. Mr. LEVINSKY. I was up the river at the coal company's and they was shooting around.

Senator WHEELER. Go ahead.

Mr. LEVINSKY. Well, I was over there, and the kids was playing at the side of the track, and this woman and another woman was here, and some colored fellows passed along going home. Some of the kids hollered something about scabs, and there was shooting, and the women ran around there, and a policeman went this way, and another policeman went the other way. I think the women thought their children had been hurt, and the policemen just came down, about three or four of them, and grabbed the women. The women didn't want to go on with them, but the policemen grabbed the women, and I saw it, and the woman fell, and he either jumped on her, or he might have fell, I don't know, but anyhow I went over and took a stick and said, "You snake, what do you mean?" And he took the women, and he had this woman's hands squeezed up. And I said, "What do you want to take them down for?" And the policeman said, "You get the hell out of here or I will shoot you." I said, "Go on and shoot me. If you want to take these women and pick on women and children you can just go on and shoot me." He said, "You get the hell out of here right now."

Senator WHEELER. You heard the shooting at the children?
Mr. LEVINSKY. Yes, sir.

Senator WHEELER. All right.

(Thereupon the committee left that vicinity and motored to Horning Mine No. 4, at which place it was noted that the property was barricaded with a 12-foot-high board fence. The committee went to the office of the mine where the following occurred:)

STATEMENT OF ARTHUR HALL, SUPERINTENDENT OF TERMINAL MINE NO. 4 OF THE PITTSBURGH TERMINAL COAL CORPORATION

Senator GOODING. My name is Gooding, and this is Senator Wheeler, and this is Senator Wagner and this is Senator Pine. You doubtless know what we are here for.

Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.

Senator GOODING. We would like to go to the colored barracks and get some information.

Mr. HALL. All right.

Senator GOODING. And when we talk to the people there we would like to talk to them privately.

Mr. HALL. All right. We can go down there now if there is where you want to go.