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Mr. MUSSER. I do not have that, but it did not differ very much.
Senator WAGNER. What is it now?
Mr. WELSH. Five hundred men.
Senator WAGNER. So that there is a difference of 164 men.
Mr. Welsh. A difference of about 150 men I would say.

Senator WAGNER. That gives you an opportunity now for men to have more work; there is more work per man.

Mr. Welsh. There is one mine that is not open.
Senator WHEELER. I will now read this pay roll off:

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Senator WAGNER. Did you ever have more than one man on a number?

Mr. WELSH. No; but sometimes we have one man working on two prices. If he works on one classification for a time and then goes on another classification in the two weeks—yes, he draws pay then sometimes under two numbers, or even more.

Mr. MUSSER. We would like to emphasize this point: That the earnings of the men are a matter over which we have no control whatever. Likewise if he goes to the store and buys or does not buy, that is up to him.

Senator WAGNER. Does this indicate the number of hours that a man works?

Mr. WELSH. No.
Senator WAGNER. What is this on this page here?

Mr. WELSH. This is the man's time, and here are the total earnings for the time that he has worked.

Senator WHEELER. We would like to add the number of days that the men worked if we can get that.

Senator WAGNER. We would like to have the number of hours that they worked also, if we might have that.

Mr. WELSH. It is a day, or less than that, is nominal time. Senator WAGNER. A man does not work longer than eight hours ? Mr. WELSH. No, sir.

Senator WHEELER. Here is another page, from January 16 to 31, 1927. Did you work full time in January, 1927?

Mr. WELSH. Yes; which makes it fairly comparable. And about the same number of men were there at work, 650 to 660.

Senator WHEELER. I will now read off the amounts on this page:

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Senator WHEELER. It would be apparent from this pay roll that the men did not make as much in 1927 as before.

Mr. WELSH. I can safely make the statement that they are making as much now if not better than before.

Senator WHEELER. You do not mean to tell me that these men are making better than they did before?

Mr. Mark. For one thing, they have more cars than they did before, and the men work all kinds of hours.

Mr. Welsh. Oh, no.

Mr. Mark. In other words, the men actually did 21 per cent more labor in eight hours to earn the same wage than they did in 1925.

Mr. WELSH. Sometimes they did not get the cars before, and they were working about half time.

Mr. MARK. At that time they had the mine overcrowded and the men did not get the work.

Mr. Welsh. We were paying the men more than anyone else was.

Mr. MURRAY. They did not have the same number of cars nor the same opportunity to work before.

Senator WHEELER. They did not get the cars then, Mr. Welsh?
Mr. WELSH. Not the same as now.
Senator WHEELER. They were working practically half time then.
Mr. MUSSER. The men worked every day in that month.

Mr. MURRAY. Can not you get a pay roll that will show what the men did under the Jacksonville agreement, and let us see whether they had as many wagons as now, and whether or not they were working every day, each man?

Senator GOODING (chairman of the subcommittee). Mr. Welsh, you have shown me a copy of letter that you wrote to Mr. Musser on February 24, 1928, in regard to the earnings of the men at Rossiter for the first two weeks of February, and I would like to have that made a part of the record. Can you furnish me with a copy of the letter?

Mr. WELSH. I shall be very glad to do so, Mr. Chairman.

(The letter of February 24, 1928, written by Mr. F. D. Welsh, s uperintendent, to Mr. A. J. Musser, vice president and general

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manager, of the Clearfield Bituminous Coal Corporation, is here made a part of the record, as follows:)

Rossiter, Pa., February 24, 1928. Mr. A. J. MUSSER,

Vice President and General Manager. DEAR Sır: Kindly be advised that the earnings of the men on the coal at Rossiter for the first two weeks of February are: Rossiter No. 1 mine, $6.39 per day per man. Rossiter No. 3 mine, $5.99 per day per man, Average Rossiter No. i and No. 3, $6.19 per day per man.

The above figures do not include deductions for explosive carbide or smithwork which together would amount to about 30 cents per man per day, and reduce the earnings by this amount. Very truly yours,

F. D. WELSH, Superintendent. Senator Gooding. Are we through with these pay rolls here? Senator WHEELER. Yes.

Senator GOODING. Has Governor Fisher made any investigation of your conditions here at any time?

Mr. MUSSER. I do not think he has ordered any investigation of our property.

Senator GOODING. Well, as to the conditions is what I am talking about.

Mr. Musser. No; I do not think so, except as to health conditions, sanitary conditions.

Senator GOODING. Well, he has regular officers for that purpose all the time. I mean especially as to the strike conditions now existing. That has not been investigated on the part of the State government, has it?

Mr. Musser. No, sir; I think not.

Senator WAGNER. As to the activities of the deputy sheriffs, has that been inquired into at all?

Mr. MUSSER. Not so far as I know.

Senator GOODING (chairman of the subcommittee). Well, if the committee is through here, we will go on.

(Thereupon, at 12.20 p. m., the subcommittee, accompanied by Vice President and General Manager Musser and Superintendent Welsh of the Clearfield Bituminous Coal Corporation, and Messrs. Murray, Fagan, and Mark, of the United Mine Workers of America, left the superintendent's office of the mine of the Clearfield Bituminous Coal Corporation, at Rossiter, Pa., and motored to the Magyar Presbyterian Church. After the automobile caravan had ascended the steep and icy hill with some difficulty, the committee noted a watchbox in the road in front of the church, and ascended the steep bank leading to the church property, and then the outside stairway leading to the second floor of the church building, in which services are held. Entering the room the committee found every available inch of space occupied by union miners, except a very few members of the families of miners, and the party was escorted to the benches provided for the choir which had been reserved, and the following proceedings were then had in the church:)

Senator GOODING (chairman of the subcommittee). As you folks assembled here probably know, this is a subcommittee of the Committee on Interstate Commerce of the United States Senate. We have been sent here to make a view of conditions on the ground, and secure such information as we can. We have been informed about


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the injunction issued by Judge Langham forbidding certain things on this lot. This subcommittee wishes to avoid doing anything that might be construed as not a strict observance of the injunction, and therefore the chairman asks: Mr. Phillips, you are not enjoined from singing inside the church, are you?

Rev. X. J. Phillips. No, sir. And here is one of the songs in this book I hold in my hand.

Senator GOODING. The subcommittee will want you to furnish one of these song books for them to take back to Washington, with the songs marked.

Reverend Phillips. All right. We will do anything you wish.

Senator GOODING. Suppose you just go ahead now and sing the songs that you say you have been singing and that were complained about.

Reverend Phillips. First, we will take song 166 in the hymnal, The Victory May Depend on You. We lack the instrument of Mr. Cherry's. He has not got that here. But we can sing it with the aid of the organ.

(Thereupon, led by Reverend Phillips, the assemblage sang hymn 166, The Victory May Depend on You, the words being as follows:)

Thro' the land a call is sounding, and it comes to age and youth;
'Tis a summons to the conflict in the cause of right and truth;
To the standard of our Captain, lo, there comes a faithful few;
But the victory, my brother, may depend on you.


The vict'ry may depend on you,
The vict’ry may depend on you;
Dare to stand among the few,
With the faithful tried and true,

For the vict'ry may depend on you.
See the mighty hosts of evil spreading death thro’out the land;
Who is there will answer quickly, and the hosts of sin withstand;
Do not fear to join our standard, for our ranks are tried and true,
Lo, a triumph day is coming, when our arms shall be laid down,
Then each faithful, loyal soldier shall receive a victor's crown;
Would you stand among the victors, with the band of faithful few?

Then the victory, my brother, may depend on you. Reverend Phillips. Next we will take song No. 66, and it is No. 82 in this other book, "Sound the Battle Cry."

(Thereupon the assemblage sang, with greater enthusiasm as they gained confidence, the song of which the following are the words:)

Sound the battle cry! See, the foe is nigh;

Raise the standard high for the Lord;
Gird your armor on, stand firm, ev'ry one;

Rest your cause upon His holy word.


Rouse, then soldiers, rally round the banner,

Ready, steady, pass the word along;
Onward, forward, shout aloud Hosanna!

Christ is Captain of the mighty throng.
Strong to meet the foe, marching on we go,

While our cause we know, must prevail;
Shield the banner bright, gleaming in the light;

Battling for the right, we ne'er can fail.

O Thou God of all, hear us when we call,

Help us one and all by Thy grace;
When the battle's done, and the vict'ry's won,

May we wear the crown before Thy face? Reverend Phillips. Next we will sing, “Nearer my God to Thee,” being No. 266, which we sing:

Nearer, my God, to Thee, nearer to Thee,
E'en though it be a cross that raiseth me;
Still all my song shall be, nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer, my God, to Thee, nearer to Thee.
Though like a wanderer, the sun gone down,
Darkness be over me, my rest a stone;
Yet in my dreams I'd be nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer, my God, to Thee, nearer to Thee.
There let the way appear, steps unto Heaven,
All that thou sendest me, in mercy given;
Angels to beckon me, nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer, my God, to Thee, nearer to Thee.
Then, with my waking thoughts bright with Thy praise,
Out of my stony griefs, Bethel I'll raise;
So by my woes to be nearer, my God, to Thee,
Nearer, my God, to Thee, nearer to Thee.
Or if on joyful wing, cleaving the sky,
Sun, moon, and stars forgot, upwards I'll fly;
Still all my song shall be, nearer, my God, to Thee,

Nearer, my God, to Thee, nearer to Thee. Senator WHEELER. Were you enjoined from singing that old familiar hymn?

Reverend PHILLIPS. That was included among the rest.
Senator Gooding. Did you sing them in the open out here?
Reverend Phillips. Yes, sir; out on the back lots.

Senator Gooding. You may sing any other songs that you were singing at the time the injunction was issued.

Reverend PhillIPS. We will now turn to this other hymn book, marked, "Gospel Gems,” and take No. 44, "Stand up for Jesus. It seems that we were condemned in the injunction because some asserted that we did not sing it as it is here in the book, "Stand up for Jesus,” but that we sang it, “Stand up for the Union.” That is what we are doing but we did not sing it that way. We sang it as it is in the book, "Stand up for Jesus” and it was not changed. We always sang every word of that, and then sometimes we would sing it over again. I told them we were somewhat like the Indians, that when they got anything they liked, such as a song like this, that they would sing down through the song, and then back up again. (Thereupon the assemblage sang with a vim, hymn No. 44, as

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Stand up! stand up for Jesus! ye soldiers of the cross;
Lift high His royal banner, it must not suffer loss;
From vict'ry unto vict'ry His army shall he lead,
Till every foe is vanquished, and Christ is Lord indeed.
Stand up! stand up for Jesus! the trumpet call obey;
Forth to the mighty conflict, in this His glorious day:
“Ye that are men, now serve Him," against unnumbered foes;
Let courage rise with danger, and strength to strength oppose.

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