A. Now, just a minute. Just wait a minute.
Q. All right.

A. I don't know what basis he had for making these charges, and so on. The matter is being investigated. It is not for me to say they should be withdrawn, or should not be withdrawn. I have stated the facts as far as I can with reference to the matters in which you seem to be interested; and that is all.

Q. Then you do acquiesce, as the leading candidate on the ticket, in the charges preferred or put forward by Mr. Sumner?

A. It is not a question of my acquiescence or not. The investigation is being made; and Senator McNary will determine how far it shall be made, and what the report will be.

Q. You then disclaim all responsibility for Mr. Sumner's action; is that right?

A. Yes; I am not responsible for it at all. Mr. Sumner is chairman of the Republican State central committee; and I haven't any doubt but what he thought he had good ground for his action; and I think the facts have justified it.

Q. Is he not acting in your behalf as chairman of the committee, just as Mr. White is acting as chairman of my committee?

A. He is acting on my behalf as one of the candidates on the Republican ticket; and he is acting for the whole Republican ticket in the State of Washington.

Q. Just as Mr. White is with me?

A. I assume so.

Q. You say you are not responsible for it. Did you not, Senator Jones, by your presence right here in this hotel, when he was elected, and the Hartley forces were for Griswold, didn't you have Mr. Sam R. Sumner, through your influence and the influence of the men supporting you, elected chairman of the committee, after you came in and took up the matter?

A. I did not have them select Mr. Sumner. I kept my hands off of the situation as to the selection of chairman: but when the chairman was selected, I was satisfied. I have known him for many years; and I congratulated the committee on his selection; just the same as I would if Mr. Griswold had been selected, or any other man. I have known him for many years, and I would be satisfied with him as well as I would be with Mr. Sumner.

Mr. BULLITT. I have nothing further.

Senator MCNARY. That is all, unless you desire further examina

tion.

Mr. BULLITT. I do not know of anything.

Mr. RUMMENS. It has been spoken in the Voters' Guide, this pamphlet, instead of the name he gave it, and I want to call the committee's attention to the fact that Mr. Bullitt's picture appears on the front page of the pamphlet, that is page 2.

Mr. BULLITT. And I paid $125 for it.

Mr. RUMMENS. I don't think you got your money's worth if paid it.

Senator MCNARY. Is there anything else?

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Senator JONES. I say, of course, I do not know what is in the record. I do not know whether there is anything in the record that I ought to pay any attention to or not, unless the chairman thinks

there is something that I should review. But I know of nothing further I want to say.

Senator MCNARY. I do not recall anything. The charges made are that there have been excessive expenditures. It is not for us to determine or express at this time whether moneys have been expended by your organization in behalf of Senator Jones; and I stated that was the charge made here, and it is for you to confirm, or deny or explain; and I will leave it to your own good judgment.

Senator JONES. I have stated all of the facts with reference to it, and all I know.

Senator McNARY. Very well, that is all then.

Senator JONES. I thank you for your consideration, Mr. Chairman. (Witness excused.)

Mr. BULLITT. We will call our next witness, and the next one we will call will be Mr. Sullivan who is here. I will call Mr. Sullivan.

TESTIMONY OF LEO SULLIVAN

LEO SULLIVAN was called as a witness, and being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

Senator MCNARY. Do you want to interrogate Mr. Sullivan? Mr. BULLITT. Yes; I want to ask him about these papers.

Examination by Mr. BULLITT:

Q. Are you the staff correspondent sent out by the Seattle Times with Senator Jones?

A. Yes.

Q. Are your expenses paid by the Times, or by Senator Jones, or by the committee?

A. By the Times.

Q. Do you report Senator Jones's speeches from time to time? A. Yes.

Q. When you quote him, are your quotations accurate quotations or not?

Mr. RUMMENS. Mr. Chairman, might I make this suggestion: This investigation is taking place for an examination into the expenditures of money during this present campaign. This question of running back and forth about what some man said on the telephone, or what somebody said somebody else said I can not conceive has anything to do except to give counsel another opportunity to make a political speech.

Mr. BULLITT. My character is at stake.

Senator MCNARY. Now, I do not need any argument, Mr. Bullitt. I fully realize what the purpose of this investigation is; and its scope Mr. Bullitt, it is held in order to determine whether or not Senator Jones has charged him with spending $100,000. Mr. Bullitt asked Senator Jones about the charges and laid the proper foundation I think as a matter of fairness and good policy, a full investigation of the matter, that Mr. Bullitt should have an opportunity to a this correspondent whether he has interpreted the language of Senator Jones with substantial accuracy; and to that extent Mr. Bullitt has the right to proceed. I am sure that-that was to be the extent of the questioning; but I am not going into it at length. I think

Mr. Bullitt, in all fairness, is entitled to go into it to that extent, and for that purpose. You may proceed, Mr. Bullitt.

Q. Mr. Sullivan, by the issue of the Times of October 18, under the headline" By a staff correspondent," there was a report sent in regard to Senator Jones's speech which you wrote; that is you are the staff correspondent?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you or not correctly write the substance of what Senator Jones stated in your hearing, in the part here I have marked; does that cover substantially what he said?

A. Well, that is the substance, the story I sent in.

Q. Is that the substance of what he stated?

A. I know it is the substance of what he stated. I thought may be you thought it may have been changed.

Q. That is the substance of the story that you sent in?

A. Yes.

Q. Now, there were no substantial misstatements made by you? A. This was not of any speech he made. We went Friday or Monday, and he had not made any speech when this was printed in the paper.

Q. Well, is that the substance of what he was saying?

Senator MCNARY. Pardon me. I think you had better get a statement from Mr. Sullivan of just what occurred. I prefer to do it myself in my own way. Not that I am criticizing you, Mr. Bullitt, at all, but I think he should not be cross-examined on a charge that is made. Let me ask you a preliminary question, Mr. Sullivan.

Examination by Senator McNARY:

Q. You are the staff correspondent of the Seattle Times, are you? A. Yes.

Q. Published here in Seattle?

A. Yes.

Q. How long have you been with the paper?

A. Six years.

Q. Are you the local correspondent for the paper?

A. Well, I am employed by the Times.

Q. In the capacity of a reporter?

A. Yes.

Q. A special writer?

A. No; just a reporter.

Q. You accompanied Senator Jones about the State, did you, in his speaking campaign?

A. Yes.

Q. That I assumed. Who paid your expenses?

A. The Times Publishing Co.

Q. The company by whom you are employed, the Times Publishing Co. gave you instructions to, and you went along, to report his speeches and report his observations as a matter of news to be published in that paper?

A. Yes.

Q. You have no connections with Senator Jones in any way, have you?

A. The first time I ever met him was when I started out on this trip. I met him in the office, in his office a day or two before we

went out.

Q. Then you have no connection with Senator Jones, either by marriage or blood relationship?

A. No.

Q. Or by personal relationship?

A. No.

Q. So you are perfectly free as between the public in this state. and Senator Jones in whatever you may make?

A. Yes.

Q. There has some controversy arisen here about just what was said; there were certain things said, but we will see what information is, inasmuch as Senator Jones has denied all the language which you thought he did use. He made some representations about Mr. Bullitt's connections with the wet interests, didn't he?

Mr. BULLITT. In his speech, he claimed I was backed by the wet interests.

Senator MCNARY. I am trying just to confine this to the article in the Seattle Times on Monday, October 18, 1926. I thought that was the one you wanted me to refer to, by a staff correspondent. I assume that is you, Mr. Sullivan?

A. Yes.

Q. This is from Yakima, and it is headed "Senator Jones opens drive in old home town." Is the caption of the article.

A. Yes.

Q. Now, Mr. Bullitt has underscored here [indicating to witness]: The loudest weapon of the Democrats-the Sunday closing issue has been a boomerang. The women and strong dry forces of the entire State had been roused at the exposure of the attack as a wet smoke screen and the charge that there is a financial rendezvous of the gilt-edged brewers, distillers, and saloon men in the Democratic camp. His opponent was on the defensive on charges of outdoing Illinois and Pennsylvania by spending $150.000 from a dripping money barrel. The banner of the Kentucky Bourbon aspirant has been dyed with the slogan of boodle, booze, and Bullitt.

· Did Senator Jones say in substance, or employ in substance, language you have in that article?

A. Yes; but that is not the report of any particular speech; this particular article.

Q. Was that an interview you had with him; or the impression that you gathered from your association with him?

A. Well, I had been traveling around with him for some time then; and that was more or less of a résumé of the way the situation stood over in Yakima.

Q. Then yon did not either attempt to quote the exact language of Senator Jones in any statements he made to you in an interview, or that he used in a speech?

A. Well, the only word that is not quoted is the word "gilt-edge." That is the only direct quotation from him there.

Q. Did Senator Jones use that term gilt-edged?

A. I don't recall that he used that adjective.

Q. That is your adjective?

A. Yes.

Q. But what I want to get at, and what Mr. Bullitt wants to get at, where were you quoting Senator Jones literally from a speech or interview, or were you simply writing your impressions?

A. From an interview on Saturday in Seattle. He had opened up, you might say, on the liquor question; and may be I took the speech that he had made at the President theater. He had given us a copy of that speech, and I used most of it.

Q. That is in substance that speech?

A. Yes.

Q. Now, let us not get in to Seattle. You know what I mean, Mr. Sullivan, what I want? That was at Yakima, wasn't it?

A. Yes.

Q. Was that taken from an interview with Senator Jones, or did Senator Jones make that statement publicly?

A. From the interviews and the talks I had had with him. But that particular story there was written on Saturday night, the preceding Saturday before he went to Yakima.

Q. Did Senator Jones use that language, or is it just what you thought, or that you think expressed about the idea that Senator Jones had in his head?

A. Well, he had charged or stated that the liquor interests were supporting Mr. Bullitt. Yes; that is what he said; but what heSenator MCNARY. I do not want to ask any further questions.

Examined by Mr. BULLITT:

Mr. BULLITT. I would like to ask some more questions, and I will make it very brief.

On the next day, on Tuesday, after he had made that speech in Yakima, under the same date line, did he or not state, as this article says he did, in these words: "At the same time he read from a statement made in Spokane by A. Scott Bullitt, indicating that the Democratic nominee already is dodging the shadow of gold cast by the money barrel which Senator Jones says has been filled in part at least by brewery, distillery, and saloon interests." Now, were you correct when you wrote this thing, in quoting Senator Jones as saying that "Money barrel which Senator Jones says has been filled, in part at least, by brewery, distillery, and saloon interests"? In other words, did Senator Jones use the words that you say he used here, that you say here he said, "brewery, distillery, and saloon interests"? Are those his words, or did you make that up?

A. He used those words to me in an interview I had with him. Q. That is just what I want to get. Now, we will turn to Wednesday, October 20, in the issue of the Seattle Times, under the date line of Walla Walla, your article says:

Senator Jones devoted the greater part of his speech to an exposure of his opponent as a candidate backed by the liquor interests and brushed aside the denial of Mr. Bullitt made in Seattle Monday.