Senator MCNARY. There is no use in going over these things over and over again, I want to know the position he occupies with the Anti-Saloon League; president, I think you said; that is sufficient? Mr. BULLITT. There was published in all of the papers an announcement that Senator French got $500 from the Anti-Saloon League; and this statement shows that he paid only $25.

Senator MCNARY. Are there any others?

Mr. BULLITT. I know of none at this time; I wanted you to know whom we expected to bring, because I know you are in a hurry to get away.

Senator MCNARY. In how many days do you suppose we can finish? By Tuesday?

Mr. BULLITT. If it is possible to get them together.

Senator MCNARY. Will you take that in hand and get these witnesses who have been suggested? Can you reach them by phone, Mr. Sumner?

Mr. SUMNER. I think we can.

Senator McNARY. Get their names and addresses and I will send word to them.

Mr. SUMNER. Who are they?

Mr. BULLITT. Senator Jones, State Senator French, E. L. French, of Vancouver, Burns Poe, of Tacoma, Mr. B. N. Hicks, of everywhere, Mrs. Jackson Silbaugh; she is a traveling organizer paid by the W. C. T. U. to make speeches, and she goes all over the State, and spends money in behalf of Senator Jones.

Mr. HENDERSON. The chances are that were you to call them up, they would come.

Mr. BULLITT. Oh, no; they would not pay any attention to me. Senator MCNARY. If we can get these items from one or two witnesses, there is no use in lumbering up the record with a lot of testimony.

Mr. BULLITT. Senator McNary, you have heard Mr. Sumner testify; how can we get it except by getting the different ones together when he says somebody else knows it?

Senator MCNARY. Do you make the charge that excessive sums of money have been expended by Senator Jones and on his behalf? A. Yes. That they are collecting moneys from corporations through the chairman of their finance committee, and they are making slanderous charges, and do not let him know what is going on; and they are doing it, if not with his knowledge, at least with his approval and consent.

Senator MCNARY. Then these are the countercharges that you are now making before this committee?

Mr. BULLITT. Yes, they are; and I think one Victor Elfendahl is collecting all the money; and he is trying to deny the fact they have got it, from the Skinner and Eddy Corporation, and a lot of others like them.

Senator McNARY. Have you the names? We will go forward Monday and Tuesday and give everyone an opportunity to be heard upon any testimony substantiating these charges that they desire to present. Now, Mr. Sumner, you be here, and your attorneys. on Monday morning at 10 o'clock, at this place?

Mr. HENDERSON. May I ask one thing. He is asking for Senator Jones, State Senator French, B. N. Hicks, Burns Poe, Mrs. Jackson Silbaugh, Victor Elfendahl, and W. W. Scruby, and Millard Hart

son.

Mr. BULLITT. There is my brother, Mr. Keith Bullitt; now, he can tell you about that.

Senator MCNARY. You have expended some money on behalf of your brother?

Mr. KEITH BULLITT. I have expended $2,000, the larger part of which is to be repaid.

Senator MCNARY. Was there any note given?

Mr. KEITH BULLITT. I have spent a lot of my own money.

Senator MCNARY. How much did you spend? Have you been sworn?

Mr. KEITH BULLITT. No, sir.

TESTIMONY OF KEITH BULLITT

Keith L. Bullitt, was thereupon sworn as a witness, and testified as follows:

Mr. KEITH BULLITT. The suggestion was made that I had spent some money on behalf of my brother. I can explain it now, if you wish, Senator McNary; but I would like to be heard on Monday

Senator MCNARY. I will just ask you, your brother as a candidate for the United States Senate, has stated here you have spent in his behalf such sums of money?

A. Yes.

Q. A certain proportion of which you say is included in this itemized statement amounting to some $8,800?

A. Yes.

Q. What additional sums of money have you expended in his behalf not included in this grand total of $27,926?

A. I think maybe some. I would have to look up my memorandum to see. I have contributed to the State campaign committee, Mr. White, the larger part of $7,000 that he has reported.

Q. Mr. White reports, I speak again from memory, that he has received $9,030? He has added that into the amount that has gone to your brother?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you contribute any sums to him in excess of $9,030?

A. No; I have not. It is included in that.

Q. How much is it?

A. The greater part of the $9,000.

Q. The greater part of the $9,000 came from you?

A. Yes.

Q. And he also says that of that $9,000 there was about $1,300 expended by your brother, A. Scott Bullitt?

A. I did not hear. Did you say spent by my brother?

Q. Contributed by his brother?

A. That is not included in what I did.

Q. And you think about $2,500 of that was expended to advance the candidacy of A. Scott Bullitt?

A. I am frank to say I felt I was advancing the candidacy of all the candidates, but I thought I would get more run for my money than one-fourth of that sum.

Q. One-third was the amount. So the amount you are now mentioning really has been reported to the committee of which I am acting as chairman in this item of $9,030?

A. Yes.

Q. So it does not come in the total sum of $27,926?

A. Not at all; but I will add that included in about half of the items that Mr. Bullitt has reported within the $10,000 that I actually passed the money myself, handled the money myself, and paid it out, because my brother was away on a speaking trip and was not able

to do it.

Q. What is your business?

A. I am a lawyer.

Q. Are you identified with any moving-picture operators or concern in Seattle or elsewhere in the State?

A. I don't believe I know the name of a single moving-picture house in the State of Washington, except Jensen & Von Herberg, but outside of the names I have stated I do not even know the name of a single moving-picture operator.

Q. What is the name of your law firm?

A. Bullitt & Kehin.

Q. Is A. Scott Bullitt a member of that firm?

A. No, sir; he is not. I might explain that I have never seen even one of these slides and I have not been inside of a moving-picture house for a year, and I have no connection personally or professionally with any moving-picture house, except when they were looking about to find out who these moving-picture houses were that were exhibiting these slides; it seems they learned that I had at one time in the past represented some of the producers or owners, the ones making the films, in trying to stop some censorship ordinance which had been introduced in the city council about a year or two ago, and I was employed by them in that matter. But I now have no legal or other connection, nor am I in touch with any of the local houses of the city; and I did not know these slides had been shown until I-I think the first thing I saw of that was when these charges were made, and I was amazed.

Q. Have you made any contract to spend money for advertising your brother's candidacy?

A. Not at all.

Q. Are there any unfulfilled obligations of any kind in that direction?

A. Not at all, except, that I think that the telephone company was unwilling to give the campaign committee credit for their telephone, and I think the Western Union Telegraph Co. the same way; they have been stung a good many times, at the end of campaigns, by having no one to collect from; and I did call them up and told them that I would guarantee it if they would leave the telephone in headquarters, I would see that it was paid; and if the committee did not pay it, I said I would pay it, and I will be stuck for it.

Senator MCNARY. Thank you, Mr. Bullitt. That is all. We will stand adjourned until Monday morning at 10 o'clock.

(Thereupon the further hearing before the committee was adjourned until Monday, October 25, 1926, at 1 o'clock.)

SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURES

SEATTLE HEARINGS

MONDAY, OCTOBER 25, 1926

UNITED STATES SENATE,

SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON

EXPENDITURES IN SENATORIAL ELECTIONS,

Seattle, Wash.

The committee met, pursuant to adjournment, at 10 o'clock a. m., at the Olympic Hotel, Seattle, Wash., Senator Charles L. McNary presiding.

Present: Senator McNary.

Senator MCNARY. IS Mr. A. Scott Bullitt present?

Mr. BULLITT. Yes.

Senator MCNARY. Will you kindly take the chair, Mr. Bullit?

TESTIMONY OF A. SCOTT BULLITT-Resumed

A. SCOTT BULLITT further testified as follows:

Examination by Senator MCNARY:

Q. On Saturday afternoon, at the prior conclusion of this hearing, you were explaining the amount of money expended in the campaign prior to the general election, and you stated the figure to be up to date $27,926?

A. To the best of my knowledge, which I think was absolutely correct; absolutely.

Q. That is exclusive of the $3.000 that was expended before by you in the primaries?

A. Yes.

Q. So that the total amount of your expenses involved in the primary campaign and in the general election, the fall campaign, up to the present time to the best of your knowledge and belief, is the total sum of $27,926 plus the $3,000?

A. In which I was either directly or indirectly benefited.

Q. Have you in your possession the canceled checks and other written instruments and data which will support the statement made by you orally by the committee on Saturday?

A. Yes; my secretary over here has them. I might add there, that some of the items in this statement of $27,000 were items which were incurred a little before the primary, which bore directly on the primary. All opposition was withdrawn, but I felt that they ought to be included within my limit of $10,000; so I put it in the limit of $10,000 for the primaries.

Q. I am asking only for the production of the records. I do not mean to go through your canceled checks at this particular time, but I want you to offer them all as a formal exhibit to be included in the record, including anything later that is intended to be expended.