Mr. SAFFORD. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. The Anti-Saloon League, then, does have a county chairman in each of the counties of Illinois? Mr. SAFFORD. No. The CHAIRMAN. In some of the counties, then? Mr. SAFFORD. Some of them. The CHAIRMAN. In how many? Mr. SAFFORD. I could not tell you that offhand. The CHAIRMAN. About how many? Mr. SAFFORD. I think between a third and a half. The CHAIRMAN. Have you a list of them? Mr. SAFFORD. That I do not know, Senator. The CHAIRMAN. Who does know? Mr. SAFFORD. I will see what the records show in our office. Mr. SAFFORD. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. Who keeps them? Mr. SAFFORD. We would have a department. I can find out. I can give you what the facts are. The CHAIRMAN. Do you not know who keeps your records? Mr. SAFFORD. We are not very careful; we are not thoroughly organized along those lines. The CHAIRMAN. Somebody keeps them. Do you not know that person's name? Mr. SAFFORD. Our attorney is supposed to have general charge of it. The CHAIRMAN. Who is your attorney? Mr. SAFFORD. Mr. Collier. The CHAIRMAN. What is his first name? Mr. SAFFORD. Joseph. The CHAIRMAN. Where does he maintain his office? Mr. SAFFORD. He has an office in our office. The CHAIRMAN. In your office? Mr. SAFFORD. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. He receives a regular salary for this work he is doing? Mr. SAFFORD. Certainly. The CHAIRMAN. Some of it is legal advice and some of it is political? Mr. SAFFORD. Mostly legal advice. The CHAIRMAN. He keeps the record of the political end of your business. Is that right? Mr. SAFFORD. He and I do, together. The CHAIRMAN. How many letters have you sent out in this campaign, beginning with the primary campaign and coming down to the present time? Mr. SAFFORD. I do not know. We have sent out one letter to the ministers of the State bearing on this general subject. We are sending out these statements. We are just really beginning, Senator-I am not trying to suppress anything-we are just beginning our activity right now along those lines. The CHAIRMAN. And have your copy prepared, I presume, fer matter that is to be sent out later? Mr. SAFFORD. Partly, and partly not. The CHAIRMAN. I will not ask you to give us what you have not sent out; but I would like you to give us a copy of what you have sent out. Mr. SAFFORD. Certainly, cheerfully. The CHAIRMAN. And the names of your printers. Mr. CAFFORD. Certainly. The CHAIRMAN. Do you do your printing on your own presses, or do you hire it done? Mr. SAFFORD. We hire it done. The CHAIRMAN. How many employees have you in your office or headquarters? Mr. SAFFORD. We have about 20 men and 22 women on our full force. The CHAIRMAN. How long have they been there? Mr. SAFFORD. Many of them have been there for years. The CHAIRMAN. I mean the full number, or approximately the full number. Mr. SAFFORD. That is about our regular staff. The CHAIRMAN. That is about your regular staff. Mr. SAFFORD. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. And during a campaign they get pretty busy in campaign work when you are interested? Mr. SAFFORD. Naturally. The CHAIRMAN. And they are pretty busy now? Mr. SAFFORD. Yes, sir. They are pretty busy all the time. I might explain to you in regard to what we send out, Senator, that the most of the literature that we send out is a list of indorsed candidates. The CHAIRMAN. You have that list, have you? Mr. SAFFORD. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. And you would not object to furnishing us a copy of it? Mr. SAFFORD. I will furnish it to you. The CHAIRMAN. What do you do when you find that both men are wet, one on one ticket and the other running against him on the other ticket? Mr. SAFFORD. If there is any chance to make a reasonable campaign for a dry candidate, we try to get a dry to run. The CHAIRMAN. Have you any situation where you have a candidate running on an independent ticket as a dry? Mr. SAFFORD. I think there is one, Senator. There are many districts, particularly in Chicago, where both candidates are wet, and we make no effort. The CHAIRMAN. No; but you siad that when you found out that both candidates were wet you made an effort then to get a dry to run as an independent? Mr. SAFFORD. If there is any chance at all. The CHAIRMAN. If there is any chance. Mr. SAFFORD. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. That is what O'Brien was trying to do in this senatorial fight, to get a dry to run who he thought was not trying to buy his election? Mr. SAFFORD. I am not sure about the latter clause, Senator. The point there was that there was absolutely no chance. That is why we dismissed that; not because we had any objection to Magill, or the idea, but we emphasized the fact that there was no chance. The CHAIRMAN. Suppose Mr. Magill had had a chance, would you have shied away from him because he also had the money and was running against Smith, who had the money? Mr. SAFFORD. That is a hypothetical case that I would have to face when and if it arose. The CHAIRMAN. You have not any such rule of moral conduct as would enable you to determine that in advance? Mr. SAFFORD. Yes, sir; we have, but I do not feel like discussing a hypothetical case when we are dealing strictly with facts. The CHAIRMAN. You are justified in that. I think that is all. I will ask you only to bring the papers in. Mr. SAFFORD. How long will you be here? The CHAIRMAN. I will be here until to-morrow night, anyway. That is as far as I can see. Mr. SAFFORD. I will do my best to have it ready for you. The CHAIRMAN. I would like to have the amount of your monthly pay roll. I would like to have the public expenditures by your organization in the State. Mr. SAFFORD. Would you like to have them monthly? The CHAIRMAN. I would be delighted to have that if you can give it to me. Mr. SAFFORD. You want the monthly pay roll? The CHAIRMAN. The monthly expenditures. I will not ask you to go back very far; but let us go back to the first of this year. Mr. SAFFORD. All right, sir; you shall have that. The CHAIRMAN. Also the amount of postage Mr. SAFFORD. Pardon me, but you will remember I gave you all of this in August. The CHAIRMAN. Wherever you have given the figures to us, you need only bring them down to date. Thank you, sir. The committee will stand adjourned until 2 o'clock. (Thereupon, at 12 o'clock noon, the committee took a recess until 2 o'clock p. m.) AFTERNOON SESSION The committee reconvened, pursuant to the taking of the recess, at 2 o'clock p. m., Senator James A. Reed, of Missouri, presiding. TESTIMONY OF JAMES SIMPSON (The witness was sworn by the chairman.) The CHAIRMAN. What is your full name? The CHAIRMAN. Your place of residence? Mr. SIMPSON, President of Marshall Field & Co. The CHAIRMAN. What do you know about contributions of money or promises of money to be used in the senatorial campaign or in the primaries preceding the campaign in the State of Illinois? Mr. SIMPSON. Why, I gave a thousand dollars to the Republican National Committee, $500 for myself and $500 from Mr. John G. Shedd, who is chairman of the board of directors of Marshall Field & Co. I also gave $2,000 to Mr. Barrett. The CHAIRMAN. $500 for yourself and $500 for whom? Mr. SIMPSON. Mr. John G. Shedd. The CHAIRMAN. Let me ask you if the $1,000 is made up of those two $500 items. Mr. SIMPSON. $1,000; and entirely personal. The $2,000 I gave to Mr. Barrett for the benefit of the so-called Crowe-Barrett faction, $1,000 of that also came from Mr. John G. Shedd, and $1,000 from myself. I do not know that they knew who it came from. They may have thought it all came from me; I do not know. They did not ask. The CHAIRMAN. Did the company make any contribution? The CHAIRMAN. Have you made any contributions yourself since those contributions you made to the primary? Mr. SIMPSON. No. The CHAIRMAN. This covers all of the money that you contributed or handled connected with the primary? Mr. SIMPSON. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Or with the present campaign? Mr. SIMPSON. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Do you know any other officers or members of your company who made contributions? Mr. SIMPSON. I do not. The CHAIRMAN. Do you know, or have you information, of any other moneys that were contributed to the campaign fund?" Mr. SIMPSON. I have not. The CHAIRMAN. In that I want to be perfectly plain, Mr. Simpson, so we do not misunderstand each other. A man might say he did not know a thing had taken place, because he did not actually see it, but he may have very reliable information. I am asking you now if you have no information of any moneys being contributed besides the sums that you have named. Mr. SIMPSON. No, I have none, Senator, and if I had I would be very glad to throw help in your way, but I have no information of any kind, form, or description that would help you. The CHAIRMAN. Do you know of any promises to pay hereafter? Mr. SIMPSON. I do not. The CHAIRMAN. Do you know of any moneys loaned or promised to be loaned? Mr. SIMPSON. I do not. The CHAIRMAN. And this that you have told is absolutely all that you know in regard to the financing of any of these campaigns? Mr. SIMPSON. Absolutely all. The CHAIRMAN. On behalf of any of the candidates for the Senate? Mr. SIMPSON. Absolutely all. The CHAIRMAN. Was there anything unusual about your having made this subscription, or do you ordinarily subscribe in campaigns? Mr. SIMPSON. No; quite in line with what we usually do. The CHAIRMAN. Who was it solicited these funds from you? Mr. SIMPSON. Mr. Roy West for the Republican National Committee and Mr. Barrett for the so-called Crowe-Barrett faction. The CHAIRMAN. Was the money paid in cash or by check? Mr. SIMPSON. I could not tell you. I don't remember whether it was my personal check-I do remember in the first instance I sent a company check, but it was charged to my personal account, and Mr. West returned it and said, "This won't do;" so I think I sent my personal check after that. The CHAIRMAN. Did you ever get any reimbursement from the company? Mr. SIMPSON. No, sir. We try in that respect to be like Cæsar's wife. Our company tries to obey the law and, therefore, we try to be beyond reproach. These subscriptions are purely and entirely personal ones of Mr. Shedd and myself. The CHAIRMAN. And you are not to be reimbursed in any way? manner. The CHAIRMAN. I am much obliged to you, Mr. Simpson. The CHAIRMAN. Sorry to have troubled you, sir. Mr. SIMPSON. Not at all. Thank you very much. The CHAIRMAN. Is Mrs. Morrisson present? TESTIMONY OF MRS. MARY FOULKE MORRISSON (The witness was sworn by the chairman.) The CHAIRMAN. Please state your full name. The CHAIRMAN. Your place of residence? Mrs. MORRISSON. 1431 North State Street, Chicago. The CHAIRMAN. Are you in any business of any kind? Mrs. MORRISSON. No. The CHAIRMAN. Have you had anything to do with the present senatorial campaign? I mean to include in that the primary as well as the election campaign. Mrs. MORRISSON. No, Senator Reed. The CHAIRMAN. Nothing whatever? The CHAIRMAN. What organizations do you belong to that take part in campaigns, or are interested in politics? Mrs. MORRISSON. The two organizations I belong to take no part in campaigns. I am president of the Illinois League of Women Voters, whose main job is political education of women. I am secretary, or was secretary, of the international relations for the Illinois Federation of Women's Clubs. Both those organizations work for certain measures at times. To that extent, of course, we do political work; but we do not indorse candidates and we take no part in campaigns. |