Mr. SMITH. No; I took it out of a safe deposit box in my bank at Dwight, Ill. The CHAIRMAN. Was any part of that money contributed by any person? Mr. SMITH. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Was any part of it promised to be contributed by any person? Mr. SMITH. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Has any of it ever been contributed by any person? Mr. SMITH. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Or firm or corporation? Mr. SMITH. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. I will say now that when I say "person" I always mean to include copartnership, firm, corporation, association, or any other kind of combination, so we will not misunderstand each other. That is all the money you ever gave. Did your bank give any money? Mr. SMITH. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Did your associates in the bank give any money? Mr. SMITH. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. When you were talking to Mr. Moore about the $150,000 that you anticipated it would be necessary to raise to conduct this campaign properly, and you told Mr. Moore that you could only pay a small part of it yourself, what was said about the other sources from which money could be obtained to carry on the campaign? Mr. SMITH. That was left to Mr. Moore. The CHAIRMAN. Did you not discuss with Mr. Moore where money probably could be obtained? Mr. SMITH. I did not. The CHAIRMAN. Did he not say anything to you about that? The CHAIRMAN. Did Mr. Moore agree to contribute any part of it himself? Mr. SMITH. In an indefinite way he did. The CHAIRMAN. What was the "indefinite way?" Mr. SMITH. That he would put in a reasonable amount himself. The CHAIRMAN. What did he designate as a reasonable amount? Mr. SMITH. He did not indicate. The CHAIRMAN. What did you understand him to mean? Mr. SMITH. Well, I had no definite understanding, Senator, as to just how far he intended to obligate himself. The CHAIRMAN. Where did he get the money? Mr. SMITH. Mr. Moore will have to answer that; I do not know. The CHAIRMAN. Do you know any of the sources from which he got the money? Mr. SMITH. I only know in a general way. The CHAIRMAN. What is the general way? Mr. SMITH. I think that is a question that Mr. Moore should answer himself. He collected the money. I had nothing to do with the collection of the money. The CHAIRMAN. It is a question, however, which we ought to ask and do ask. I want to get your information. 103434-267-PT 2—2 Mr. SMITH. Mine is only vague information, not based upon any real facts. The CHAIRMAN. You got it from Mr. Moore, did you not? Mr. SMITH. I got some. The CHAIRMAN. Well, now, tell us what you got from Mr. Moore. Mr. SMITH. I think Mr. Insull contributed some money. The CHAIRMAN. How much? Mr. SMITH. I do not know the exact amount. The CHAIRMAN. Tell us what you do know. If you do not know the exact amount, what is your information? Mr. SMITH. My best information is that it was around $100,000, but I am not The CHAIRMAN. Who else gave money, according to your information? Mr. SMITH. I do not know of any others. The CHAIRMAN. You do not know of anybody but Mr. Insull? Mr. SMITH. There were some others. I turned over some small checks to him that were sent to me. The CHAIRMAN. How much were they? Mr. SMITH. They did not amount to over $600 or $700. They were small checks. The CHAIRMAN. Do you remember who sent them? Mr. SMITH. No, I do not. The CHAIRMAN. Outside of Mr. Insull's contribution, your own contribution, and the $500 or $600 which was contributed by people generally, you do not know where the money came from for the campaign? Mr. SMITH. I was out in the field trying to get elected. Mr. Moore was collecting money and running the campaign. The CHAIRMAN. I am not asking you for anything you do not know; but just to tell us all that you do know. It will save us so much time and questioning. Mr. SMITH. I have given you all the information I have that permits me The CHAIRMAN. Do you want the committee to understand that Mr. Insull was the sole backer of your campaign? Mr. SMITH. No, I do not. I want the committee to understand that I am giving them information that they are asking according to the best of my knowledge and understanding. The CHAIRMAN. But you have no further understanding of any other contributions-no knowledge or information regarding other contributions-than you have given us? Mr. SMITH. There were other contributions, but I can not recall the donors of them. The CHAIRMAN. Do you remember any of them? Mr. SMITH. I do not recall any of any consequence now. The CHAIRMAN. You have not heard of any of any consequence? Mr. SMITH. I have heard of a great deal being charged in this campaign, a great deal of it that I know is not true, and I am not going to give you any information that I am not positive of and that I know. The CHAIRMAN. The committee has not made any charges, Mr. Mr. SMITH. But, Senator, charges have been made, and made from the floor of the United States Senate. The CHAIRMAN. Not by the committee. Mr. SMITH. No; but The CHAIRMAN. I do not care to go into that. When I ask for information-your information-I am assuming that you had a political manager and that he told you what was going on. We are entitled to that. I am asking you what information you have regarding campaign contributions. Mr. SMITH. I have the information that Mr. Moore conducted the campaign, collected the money, and will be ready and glad to respond as a witness and tell where he got it. As to where the money came from, I did not see the money and know nothing as to the form in which it came to Mr. Moore. The CHAIRMAN. What has Mr. Moore told you about the amount of money collected, or from whom it was collected? Mr. SMITH. He told me about receiving funds from Mr. Insull; he told me that he put in considerable himself, and that he got from other sources sufficient to pay up the bills of the campaign. The CHAIRMAN. Did he tell you any of the other sources except Mr. Insull and himself? Mr. SMITH. Not that I now recall. No. The CHAIRMAN. Did you, from any other source, learn of moneys being collected for your campaign? Mr. SMITH. By other people, you mean? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Mr. SMITH. No. The CHAIRMAN. What information did you receive regarding total expenses of the campaign? Mr. SMITH. I received that just lately. The CHAIRMAN. Very well. Mr. SMITH. Around $250,000. What was it? The CHAIRMAN. From whom did you get that? Mr. SMITH. Mr. Moore. The CHAIRMAN. Was there anybody running for any other office who was cooperating with you in your campaign? Mr. SMITH. No, sir. To the extent of raising money, you mean? The CHAIRMAN. To the extent of aiding and assisting each other. Mr. SMITH. No. The candidate for State treasurer, Mr. Garrett Kinney, and I, were friends, but we were not cooperating or working together. Some of his friends supported me and some of my friends supported Mr. Kinney. The CHAIRMAN. Individually you were friendly to each other? Mr. SMITH. That is all. The CHAIRMAN. But you were not trying to aid each other in the campaign? Mr. SMITH. I was trying to be nominated for United States Senator and was not trying to nominate a State treasurer. The CHAIRMAN. Do you know anything about literature having been sent out? Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Can you tell us about that in a general way? How was that conducted? Mr. SMITH. I can not, Senator, excepting that it was sent out, I know, at various times. The CHAIRMAN. Letters were sent out to the voters, were they? The CHAIRMAN. Was there any billboard advertising used? The CHAIRMAN. Do you know what billboard concern was employed to put out your advertising? Mr. SMITH. I do not; but I think it came through Mr. Wrigley, of Chicago. The CHAIRMAN. You think Mr. Wrigley took care of that? Mr. SMITH. No; this man Wrigley is not the gum man. He is his brother, I think. I think he solicited the business and turned it over to some billboard advertising concern, just which one I do not know. The CHAIRMAN. Were newspaper advertisements employed? The CHAIRMAN. Do you know what class of papers were used? Mr. SMITH. The last of the campaign the city press, I think, one issue; and the rest of it in the country press; and I think we only used one issue in the country press. The CHAIRMAN. The country press embraced all of the papers outside of Chicago? Mr. SMITH. All of the Republican and independent papers; not the Democratic papers. The CHAIRMAN. Outside of Chicago? Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. What I mean is that you would include in that term "country press" the newspapers of the large cities outside of Chicago, the same as the newspapers in the small towns. You nod your head. That is what you mean; is it? Mr. SMITH. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. So that, generally speaking, we may understand that the press of the State that was Republican and independent were employed at least in one issue for the purpose of advertising your side of this question? Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. "Presenting it," would be a better term than "advertising it." Do you know what that cost? Mr. SMITH. No; I do not. The CHAIRMAN. You have no idea about that? Mr. SMITH. I have managed many campaigns. I have an idea. The CHAIRMAN. What is your idea? Mr. SMITH. Probably $8,000 or $10,000. The CHAIRMAN. Was there a large number of letters sent out? The CHAIRMAN. Do you know how many? Mr. SMITH. No; I do not. It was an enormous number. The CHAIRMAN. Was the voting population generally circularized? Mr. SMITH. There were two and one-half million voters in the State that had a right to vote in this primary. Just how many of them were circularized I can not say, but it was an enormous number. The CHAIRMAN. You have told us all that you can tell us in regard to the moneys that were collected and expended, have you? Mr. SMITH. All that my recollection now gives me. I do not know of anything else. The CHAIRMAN. Your recollection is keen enough so that you remember the important facts, I take it? Mr. SMITH. I think so. The CHAIRMAN. During the campaign you were out making speeches most of the time? Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Do you remember about how many you made? Mr. SMITH. Between 300 and 400. The CHAIRMAN. Did you have large meetings, or did you-just for our information-go from place to place making short addresses and hurrying on? Mr. SMITH. From place to place making short addresses, and fixed addresses at 1 or 2 o'clock in the afternoon, and in the evening, making as high as 31 towns in a week and 56 speeches a week. The CHAIRMAN. Did that involve a renting of halls? Mr. SMITH. It did. The CHAIRMAN. And were bands employed? Mr. SMITH. All of the paraphenalia that goes with a campaign. The CHAIRMAN. Of course, it is not always the same. So I think I may sum up this by saying that Moore was your campaign manager; you left the collection of the money to him, and the disbursement of it to him? You went out in the campaign and made speeches and met the people. That was your part of the work? Mr. SMITH. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. That is about a correct statement, is it? Mr. SMITH. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. You, however, were in at your headquarters once in a while and saw Mr. Moore? Mr. SMITH. Yes; I came in sometimes on a week end and saw him; and sometimes I did not see him for two or three weeks. The CHAIRMAN. You and Mr. Moore discussed how the campaign progressed? Mr. SMITH. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. And discussed whether or not you had enough money to carry it on? Mr. SMITH. Sometimes. The CHAIRMAN. He told you the state of the finances from time to time? Mr. SMITH. I told him that was his job. He induced me, among others, to be a candidate for United States Senator, and that was his job, and I was not going to worry about it. The CHAIRMAN. But I suppose you did worry a little about it, did you not? Mr. SMITH. No. The CHAIRMAN. You did discuss with him from time to time the financial situation? Mr. SMITH. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. And where he could get money? Mr. SMITH. No; I did not tell him where he could get money. he not? |