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Senator King. Let me understand, Mr. Witness. Were you drawing checks for advertising upon the bank in Phoenix and also upon a bank in Prescott ?
A. The first line of advertising was drawn on that bank.
A. In Prescott, because that account was opened when we sent the first out?
A. The first advertising that was drawn was drawn on that account, my account in Prescott.
Q. Then, money was deposited there to your credit ?
A. Well, they were paying the expenses of some boys to take around petitions.
Q. Petition for what?
A. When we started the Ellinwood campaign we tried to get him to run for governor; we circulated these petitions asking him to run. These expenses were paid the boys for that, and the first ads that was run was taken out of that account for that purpose; then we came down there and it was drawn out of this account.
Q. Was any money drawn out for advertising?
A. Well, probably; yes.
A. Well, I don't know, exactly; it was to cover the first run of advertising, and some of the advertising—it might be $2,000, $2,100 or $1,900; I don't know exactly: it wasn't over $2,500, I know.
Q. Was it all exhausted?
Q. All for Mr. Ellinwood ?
Q. And you drew that out; you paid claims that would extinguish that amount that was deposited to your credit ?
Q. Then after that was exhausted you drew checks on the bank here in Phoenix ?
A. Yes. Not for any other man or any other candidate was anything thought about or done anything for.
Q. Not for Carl Hayden?
Q. Or anybody else. Now, when you stated that the amount that you drew was between four and five thousand dollars, or thereabouts, did that include what you had drawn from the Prescott bank?
A. Yes; the whole thing; yes.
A. That was all. I said probably five or six thousand dollars, the total amount, for advertising that I signed for altogether.
Q. Both on the Prescott bank and
A. Yes. There was some advertising, as I say, in the two Phoenix papers that I didn't sign for.
Q. Could you draw anything except you accompanied the advertisement with it?
A. Well, that is what it was put there for. Naturally, I could have broken faith and drawn it for any purpose, but it was put therefor that purpose.
Q. Did you draw it for any other purpose ?
Mr. Holton. That was designated a special account there, wasn't it? Just how did that account appear on the books of that bánk?
A. It is called a supplement; that is the way I run the account. Q. It wasn't special, it was supplement?
A. Yell, yes, sir. I will tell you how the account started. I got out a special edition of my paper two years ago; it was a supplement account for the paper. I had that account specially to see how much I made on the paper. I have held that account and carried it ever since; that is why it is carried that way.
Q. "W. P. Stewart, supplement."
Q. And all of the checks which you drew for advertising purposes were signed “ W. P. Stewart, supplement”?
A. Up there; yes.
A. Oh, about three or four days before the primary election.
A. I don't think there was any run to speak of after that, except the amounts for the two papers here that I didn't know anything
Senator King. Mr. Stewart, you drop your voice; I can not hear you.
The WITNESS. I will try to speak a little louder.
Mr. Holtox. That Prescott account, all of the money, as I understand it, that was in that account was this money that was used for political purposes?
A. Not necessarily. I had some in there
Q. Aside from that $150, that account was composed, so far as this period of time is concerned, entirely of political funds?
A. At that time what they put in was put in for political purposes and drawn out for that purpose.
Q. Now, the checks you drew against that account were all drawn prior to or immediately following the primary; is that correct?
A. Nothing drawn after the primaries.
A. No; I think I told you awhile ago I have about $175 in there still, I think, and there will probably be that much in there later on if I don't go broke right away.
Q. When you say there will be that much later on what do you mean?
A. I mean if I have any money I will probably put in the bank.
Q. You don't do your own personal, individual banking business under that account, do you?
A. Yes; most of it.
Senator King. Do you deposit your receipts in the bank under that account?
A. Well, the newspaper has an account of its own, and I take most of the money that I use out of the newspaper.
Q. Oh, I see. This is a personal account in contradistinction to your newspaper account?
Mr. Holton. The checks which you drew on the Phoenix National Bank were simply signed by you with no other designation whatever; is that right? A. "W. P. Stewart"; I think that was all, yes. I know it was
Senator King. Did you say “ director of publicity”?
Mr. Holtos. Did you make out a card and give it to the Phoenis National Bank or any of its employees?
Senator King. You nodded your head. Answer.
Mr. Holtox. And whom did you give that card to?
A. A woman who was working up there who was signing Mr. Stockton's name to the checks.
Q. What is her name?
Q. She went with you; and what did she do with reference to authorizing you to sign those checks? A. She told the man at the bank who I was.
Q. And there must have been the name of some account on that card, because you had deposited no money in the Phoenix National Bank yourself, had you? A. No, sir. Q. What was the name of that account? A. I think it was the Ellinwood for Governor Club. Q. Do you know whether this Miss Balcon is here now? A. I don't know. Q. You haven't seen her since you came down this morning? A. I haven't seen her since the primary election.
Q. Who have you talked with in connection with this primary campaign since you arrived here this morning?
Senator King. You mean when you were called to the witness stand!
A. I have been in Phoenix about 10 minutes until I came up here, I drove down this morning.
Mr. HOLTON. Of course; I don't mean any insinuation about Mr. Havden.
The WITNESS. Oh, I know that; certainly not.
Q. I was just trying to find out. When you signed these checks you yourself made no record of them?
A. I made no record whatever; no.
Q. Then it is only a supposition on your part that there was any record kept at the headquarters?
A. Only a supposition, because I don't know; I had a room separate from the other people in the headquarters. I didn't go in the other rooms. I didn't see what they were doing with the accounts.
Q. You purposely refrained from knowing anything about the accounts, did you?
A. Not purposely; no. Probably I could have gone in and found out if I wanted to, but it wasn't any of my business.
Q. Was Mr. Stockton there during that time?
Q: What, if any, instructions did Mr. Stockton give to you as to the amount of money which you were authorized to use in this publicity work?
A. The ads were to be paid for; that was all the instructions I had, and I was to sign the checks.
Q. Mr. Stockton never said any other thing to you than that what ads you were to write were to be paid for in cash?
A. Mr. Stockton and the other gentleman fixed up the advertisements themselves and sent them out.
Q. What other gentleman?
Senator King. Were you to make arrangements for the publication? Why did they need an intermediary man?
A. Well, the thing was I started this campaign myself. It didn't look very good for a man who started the thing not to stay with it until the end; that was my idea.
Q. Did they want you to check up on the cost of advertising?
A. No; I wrote to the newspapers and got their rates; made out the rate.
Q. Then you figured the amount?
A. The amounts were figures up by some one else after I got the rates.
Q. Then when the advertising was handed you, you figured on that what the cost would be; then you wrote a check and sent the check and advertisement to the paper and told them to publish it!
A. No; the checks and advertisements were brought to me together, and I signed the checks.
Senator KING. Proceed.
Mr. HOLTON. Mr. Stockton then placed no limitation whatever upon you as to the amount of money that you might sign checks for!
A. I answered that awhile ago that the ads were to be paid, and the checks I was to sign were supposed to be for advertising only. It is a matter of honor that you wouldn't go beyond that.
Senator King. They drew the checks and brought them to you to sign?
Mr. Hollox. The only part you played in this was to sign your name to the checks. You didn't figure the cost of the advertising; they furnished the publicity and the checks, and you just stayed there and signed the checks?
A. That is about all I did.
Q. Now, how much money was spent during the campaign for newspaper advertising for Mr. Ellinwood ?
A. I said I didn't know. I said five or six thousand dollars would be my guess was the amount that passed through my hands. You can take that and add the amounts that went into the Phoenix derspapers each day, and you will have it.
Q. That is your best estimate, then, of the amount of checks which you signed, is $5,000 or $6,000?
A. My best estimate.