whole of what occurred between us on both the days ne waited on me here, leaving you at liberty to make what use you please of the information; when the public shall be informed that he spent twenty minutes with me on Thursday, and forty-two minutes on Friday, (the visit on which day, and the object of it, he studiously conceals,) in discussing the transactions which caused both interviews, and shall contrast it with the letter he reports of what must have passed in such a space of time; it will naturally draw a conclusion different from the object he had in view, in making that statement.

After hearing from you, Sir Charles Saxton's communication from Mr. Peel, and resisting the view you took on the subject. I went to Mr. Ottleys, where not finding Sir Charles, I mentioned to Mr. Ottley, I came for the purpose of letting Sir Charles know (had he been there) that I did not conceive any thing which had passed between you and him on that day, altered the relative position in which you and Mr. Peel heretofore stood, or rendered it in any way necessary, that you should make through me any hostile communication to Mr. Peele, but that if Sir Charles should wish to see me on the subject, I would wait at home until six o'clock, leaving him my address. He came to me nearly at that hour, and was proceeding to detail what passed between you and himself, until I interrupted him by mentioning what I said, as above, to Mr. Ottley, and giving it as my fixed opinion, that it was not you who should commence any hostile proceedings.

"He then resumed his narrative of what passed between himself and you, and added that you thought differently from me on the subject, for though you said you would act under the control of your friends, yet that any friend, who would advise you not to send to Mr. Peel, would be, in your opinion, much mistaken and disappoint your wishes, or words to that effect. This was the only point in which your report and Sir Charles Saxton's of your interview in the morning did not exactly agree; but this and some observation on his part, tending to alter my opinion compelled me to assign the reasons

which determined me to decide for you as I had done. I then told him that the asperity of the language you had used respecting Mr. Peel, while under the impression of receiving ill-treatment from him, had beer so grossly offensive, that I still considered you to be the aggressor, that the English language did not admit of an expression more galling and debasing than to say of any man he would not dare to do in the presence of another, what he did in his absence; that it was a broad and unqualified charge of cowardice, which a denial or even an offer to prove unfounded, was not sufficient to repel, that though it may tend in some respect, to set up the individual so abused, yet it did not go to punish the insult, that this impression was strongly fixed on my mind, that I told you, if you persisted in wishing to send a hostile communication to Mr. Peel, I must decline any further interference on your part, for it would be an unjustifiable prodigality of your own life, and a wanton aggression on that of another.

"After some little pause, Sir Charles Saxton asked me, if I knew what were the observations of Mr. Peel in Parliament of which you complained. I candidly acknowledged I had not seen any report, which could justify your charge on him, but that you mentioned to me, he had said, in quoting some passage of a speech of yours, that in quoting you, it was not an ordinary individual, but one who could lead the Catholics of Ireland to his own purposes, and broadly insinuating that their purposes were dishonest. Sir Charles instantly replied that Mr. Peel never said any such thing, nor any thing which justified personality to him; that he got every report he could, and no one bore any such feature, and that he would avow every one he saw, or any thing that he had said. I agreed with him as far as those I had seen, and mentioned my regret at the observations which you had made respecting Mr. Peel. He then apologized for trespassing so long on my time, and as he was going, I again repeated, to avoid any misconception, as I then observed, my opinion that it was not from you any hostile proceedings should come, for the reasons I before stated. Thus ended the business of Thursday.

"On Friday, I waited at home until one o'clock, thinking it probable that on consideration, he might judge it necessary to come to me again. Between that hour and half-past two, he called twice, and the last time he left the following note.

"Sir Charles Saxton did himself the honour of calling on Mr. Lidwill this morning, for the purpose of asking a few minutes conversation with him on the subject of their conference of yesterday, but, unfortunately, finding him from home, is under the necessity of troubling him with this note, to request may be informed as soon as Mr. Lidwill returns to his hotel, by a line addressed to him at Mr. Ottley's, No. 4, Elyplace, where Sir Charles Saxton will remain in expectation of Mr. Lidwill's answer.

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“'4, Ely-place, Sept. 1, 1815.

"George Lidwill, Esq. Kearn's hotel, Kildare-street.' "In consequence of my acquainting him I was then at my hotel, he immediately came there. I must here observe, that at that moment I sent to inform him that I was at home, I also wrote a note to you, which I suppose you have, desiring that the horses might be in waiting, as I would appoint an immediate hour and the nearest field in the county of Kildare to the town of Colbridge for the meeting, which I supposed Sir Charles was coming to require. The following are the copies of my note and of your answer.

"My Dear O'Connell,

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"Sir Charles Saxton called on me twice while I was absent from this. The last time he left a note to say when he would hear I was at home, he would again call on me. pect him every moment, and, therefore, write this to you to have horses ready, as I will appoint the first field adjoining Colbridge in the county of Kildare, and an immediate hour for meeting, which I must naturally think he is now coming to require. Friday.

Daniel O'Connell, Esq.

G. L.

The following is Mr. O'Connell's reply.

"My Dear Friend.

Do just as you please, I only think the county of Kildare ought to be the place. I care not where, there. Every thing will be ready, expeditiously. My family would be less alarmed if we postponed it till morning, but do just as you please I will remain here. "Yours,

Harcourt-street, Friday.

"To G. Lidwill, Esq.

DANIEL O'CONNELL.

"You may judge my surprise, when on his entering my room, I saw him hold out some papers, which, he said, he wished to show me, as containing the substance of what passed between us on the day preceding. Before he read two paragraphs of the first paper, I observed, I could not agree with him. He attempted to alter my view. He did not succeed. I offered to meet him with my notes, and to agree on a mutual statement, if we could. He declined it. He told me, while altering, he intended to publish, but very briefly.` I answered I could neither agree to the correctness of a partial publication, nor admit the correctness of such parts as he had read. He then said for the first time, that when I told him the day before, that I did not judge the communication, he, Sir Charles had made to you, rendered a call on Mr. Peel necessary on your part, he considered his mission as at an end, and that every thing I said afterwards was reasoning. I told him I could not agree with him, for there was no other subject common between us, and that I considered he was even then on that mission. He asked were there not some things said by me, which I would not wish to have published? I replied not, for every word which I had used, would only more strongly prove how firm my conviction was, that it was not from you any thing hostile should proceed. Then rising to depart, he said, I have shown you this paper. I answered, I will not admit what I have seen of it to be correct, and I shall make my observation on whatever you publish, and add those reasons I have given for the opinion I entertain. He then left me

about four o'clock. While he was altering what he had brought with him, I wrote out the paragraph, in which I mentioned my opinion that you would not be justified by any thing which had passed in calling on Mr. Peel; he said it was substantially correct, and I must say, it was nearly what he has published on that head.

"This is the substance of what passed, committed to paper on each day, as soon as Sir Charles Saxton had left me. You know how tenacious my memory is, and how perfectly this agrees with what I related to you after each interview. If I delivered a message under these circumstances, to what reproaches should I have exposed myself. Should I do so, because his friend had said he would avow a report, which would prove you had been unjustifiably severe on Mr. Peel? did he say he would avow any thing, which was either insulting to, or untrue of you? did he tell you, you were either a calumniator or a liar ?—no he simply said, he would avow any paper vhich he himself had seen, or any thing which he himself had said, neither producing the one, nor re-asserting the other. Did his simply denying your reflection or your want of spirit was neither just nor well founded, inflict any punishment on you for so mortifying an insult? reason by analogy. If a man tells me I am a liar, in a certain assertion, will my denying it, and even adducing circumstances to prove I was correct, set me right under such a charge? I will thereby shew I did not. deserve the imputation. But must not I, to ease my own feelings, and satisfy the public opinion, seek other reparation my wounded honour?

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If I had delivered a message, and was called on to state the grounds of it, would it be deemed a sufficient excuse, that Mr. Peel had said he was responsible for what he had said, or what he had seen reported of him to have said, without knowing, or his avowing what that was, or that either was offensive ?-no, then there was but one plain and obvious course to be pursued by me; that was (in case you had been approached in a different manner (to call on you, either to produce some docu