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in the middle to support them?-The gates were of one piece, and they shut against the opposite wall.

Were there any pillars in this grotto, in any of the rooms?—There

were.

In which of the rooms were these pillars ?-In the second room after the rotunda, small columns.

Look again at the plan you have drawn. Looking at that again, will you swear that it is an accurate plan of the place?—I cannot call it exact, because there are not measures or proportion.

How long is it since you came to England ?-About ten or eleven days.

Did you come direct from the Villa d'Este?—I did.

Did you see a man employed in the Villa d'Este to take plans of different places?-I have seen several persons belonging to government taking drawings, plans, but this I do not know.

Did you not see an architect of the name of Ratti employed in taking plans at the Villa d'Este?—Yes, I have.

When was it that you saw him?—I cannot mention the exact time. You are not asked the precise time; did you not see him within month or six weeks?-It is more; it is about three or four months. It is three or four months from this time that you saw him?—Yes. Does Ratti live at Milan, or at Como?-He lives at Milan. Did you come with any witnesses here?—I did.

How many?-Fourteen.

Did

you collect and conduct those witnesses here?-No.

Who was it that did?-The will of those witnesses who came with me. Did they all pay their own expenses?-They came by their own will; but the expenses were not paid by them, but were defrayed by the order of the Chevalier Vassali.

Did Vassali come with you?-He did not.

Who paid the expenses on the road for those people?-I paid for their victuals.

Of all the fourteen that you brought ?—Yes.

Did you apply to any persons to be witnesses for the Queen before you came?-To no one.

Did not you apply to one single person to be a witness? - To no person.

When did you set out to come with those witnesses?—A month last Sunday; I set off on the 10th of September.

Were you examined before you came ?—I was.

Where were you examined?At Milan.

By whom? The Advocate Codazzi, and an Englishman called Henry.

Did you give the same account to them that you have done to-day -All that was true I have said.

You are understood to say, all you have said to-day?-No.
Did not you say, you had told all that was true?—Yes.

And you told all that was true to the advocate at Milan ?-Yes. Then did not you tell him all you have said to-day?—I was not questioned as I am questioned here.

Who has examined you since you came here ?-A gentleman, an advocate here, I do not know his name.

What was it you were not interrogated about by the advocate at Milan? There are many things that I have been questioned here, and that the advocate at Milan has not questioned me upon.

Did you endeavour to get information from the witnesses that had been examined at Milan before that ?—No.

What sum of money do you receive for coming here?-Fifty Napoleons of twenty francs each, for all the company, for all the fifteen.

Have you received any thing for yourself?—I have not.

Are you to receive any thing?-I ask for nothing, but if her Royal Highness will make me a present I will receive it, but I ask for nothing; for I have come here to tell the truth only.

Have you received no promise of any sum of money?-No.

Have you received no promise of any money, though not of a particular sum?-No.

Neither from Vassali, nor Bergami, nor any other person ?-No. Will you swear that you expect nothing? What have I said before? if they make me a present I will take it; if they do not, I will ask for nothing; I do not claim any thing.

Upon your oath, do you not expect money from some person, in consequence of coming here?—Yes.

Is it to be understood that you will swear you do expect money, or that you will swear you expect none ?-I do not understand the question.

Is it to be understood that you will swear you do expect money, or that you will swear you expect none?—I repeat again that I have come to tell the truth without hope of receiving money.

Give a distinct answer to that question, will you swear that you expect no money?-I swear that I do not claim money, but if they should give it to me, I do not refuse it.

Will you say yes or no, will you swear you do not expect money?→→ No.

How did you travel here, in what way did you travel?—In a carriage.

By post?-By post.

Did you pay your own expenses ?-For the expenses of food, but not for the post.

Did you pay for the expense of food out of your own money ? No.

Who gave you the money?-The Chevalier Vassali.

Who paid the posting ?-The courier.

What was the name of the courier?-He is called Francis.

What other name ?-I do not know his family name.

Examined by the Lords.

Earl Grosvenor.-Are there any other columns in the grotto than those you have described ?-There were.

Where were they? There is one between two windows in the third room.

Was there any pillars in the grotto, from which it was possible to see the statues of Adam and Eve ?-There was no column to enable a person to see Adam and Eye.

Was there any column or pilaster from which a person might see the statues of Adam and Eve?-There is a pilaster before the door with a column before the pilaster, from which a person may see the statues of Adam and Eve.

Mark whereabouts this pilaster or column was?—I have not said, can be seen, but I have said, that before the door there is a pilaster, and before the pilaster there is a column.

A doubt being suggested, whether the answer to the last question but one was rightly translated, the interpreter was desired to give it in the words of the witness.

The Interpreter. As far as I can recollect, and I think Mr. Coben agrees with me that the question put by me to the witness was this, "Was there some pilaster or some column from which those statues of Adam and Eve could be seen-Vi era qualche pilastro o qualche colonna da cui si potevano vedere questre statue di Adamo e di Eva?" to which he answered, "To see those statues of Adam and Eve?" I said, "Yes;" then the witness said, "There was a pilaster before the door, and a column before this pilaster-Per vedere queste statue di Adamo e di Eva." On my saying "Yes" he proceeded, "Vi era un pilastro avanti la porta ed una colonna avanti questo pilastro."

The interpretation was explained to the witness by the interpreter, and he was desired to state whether it was

correct.

That is right; but as I had not understood well your question, I put that to see, and then I said that there was a pilaster and a column. Can you say how far that pilaster was from the statues of Adam and Eve-If I could see the plan which I have drawn, I could show the thing better.

The plan was handed to the witness.

Not this, but one that is more clear than this.

What plan do you mean?

Doctor Lushington stated, that the plan referred to by the witness had been drawn by the witness before he came into the House; but wishing that the witness should not appear to do it under the dictation of any person, but from his own recollection, he had not produced that plan.

The Earl of Lauderdale thought that the regular course of proceeding would be to call on the witness, in the first instance, to swear to the truth and correctness of his plan.

A plan was shown to the witness.

Earl Grosvenor.Is that plan made by yourself? It is.

Is it correct? It is not exact in the measure, but it is a representation of the grotto as it is, except the dimensions.

The counsel in support of the bill were asked, whether they wished to put any question upon this plan? Mr. Parke. When was this plan made ?-About an hour, perhaps half an hour, before I came here.

Earl Grosvenor.-Is it, as far as you can recollect, a correct plan of the rooms?-It is.

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